Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!

Anonymous
2022-02-23T22:25:42+00:00

Hello,

File grouping is degrading my productivity. It is constantly getting between me and my work.

I am aware of the methods to disable file grouping within individual folders. Please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

I am also aware of the method that is supposed to disable file grouping within folders of a particular type (general, music, photos, etc.)... by setting the Explorer "Options > Apply to Folders". (As an aside, the auto-detection of folder contents often does not work and is a big headache.) Again, please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

What I need to do is prevent Windows from grouping files -- EVERYWHERE. Not just in Windows Explorer, but in application file dialogs. That is, file Open and Save dialogs. That is the absolutely last place I ever want to see grouping.

This is seriously a problem for me. My assets are organized alphabetically for a reason. When I have to right-click and choose "Group By > None" every single time I access a folder through an application dialog, it wastes my time, increases my workload, and makes me very cranky.

I know that Microsoft has added this feature because they think it is going to save effort and time for their users. That may be true in some cases, but there is no one solution to maximize productivity in all possible use cases.

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

If this is not currently possible in Windows 10, please make it possible.

Such a simple, basic option can save literally millions of hours of wasted time for a global user base.

Thank you.

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  1. Les Ferch 10,086 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-06-24T16:57:28+00:00

    So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

    Option 1: Use WinSetView

    The easiest solution is to use WinSetView. It's a free, open source, portable app that lets you choose your preferred Explorer default views, including grouping, and sets the registry values for you. It does not modify any system files and does not leave anything running (i.e. zero overhead). The settings will stick through typical Windows Updates, but will need to be reapplied after a major update.

    Note: WinSetView resets all of your folder views to whatever you select as your default view preferences, which includes your grouping options. You may select one global view setting or select different views for each folder type.

    Option 2: Clear saved views and "Apply to Folders"

    This option uses the "Apply to Folders" button to set the user default view for the Downloads folder to Group by (None), but in order to ensure that all file open/save dialogs get the updated view, the currently saved views in the registry must be cleared out. To do that, first open RegEdit and delete the following registry keys:

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

    After deleting those registry keys, set grouping to (None) in the usual way:

    Windows 11:

    1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
    2. Sort menu > Group by > (None)
    3. > Options
    4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    Windows 10:

    1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
    2. View tab > Group by > (None)
    3. Options > Change folder and search options
    4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    This procedure must be applied for each folder TYPE. Typically, only the Downloads folder type is set to group by date, but if you have other folder types that are also grouped, the procedure will need to be repeated for those ones as well.

    Once the above steps are complete, sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

    Option 3: Modify the default in the registry

    In this registry key:

    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}\TopViews\{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}

    Change the GroupBy value data from "System.DateModified" to "" (i.e. clear the data).

    Note: The above key is protected. You will need to either change its permissions (not recommended) or access it using a tool that provides TrustedInstaller access, such as PowerRun, AdvancedRun, or RightClickTools.

    If you make the above change for a new user before opening any Downloads folders, then you're done. Otherwise, you'll need to clear out the saved views using the following procedures:

    Close all open apps.

    Open RegEdit normally (i.e NOT as TrustedInstaller) and delete the following registry keys:

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

    Run the following PowerShell script to clear views for Store apps such as the Windows 11 Notepad and MSPaint:

    $Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
    Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
      Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
    } 
    

    Sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

    Option 4: Per user script

    Close all open apps and run the following PowerShell script for each user (please see the comments):

    # This script will remove grouping from all possible views of the Downloads folder. 
    # The change is applied to the current user's profile only. 
    # Warning: ALL folder views (except Downloads grouping) will revert to Windows defaults! 
    # This is a minimal solution. To set ALL default folder views, use the free tool WinSetView. 
    
    $RegExe = "$env:SystemRoot\System32\Reg.exe"
    $File = "$env:Temp\Temp.reg"
    $Key = 'HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}'
    & $RegExe Export $Key $File /y
    $Data = Get-Content $File
    $Data = $Data -Replace 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE', 'HKEY_CURRENT_USER'
    $Data = $Data -Replace '"GroupBy"="System.DateModified"', '"GroupBy"=""'
    $Data | Out-File $File
    & $RegExe Import $File
    $Key = 'HKCU\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell'
    & $RegExe Delete "$Key\BagMRU" /f
    & $RegExe Delete "$Key\Bags" /f
    $Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
    Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
      Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
    }
    Stop-Process -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -ProcessName Explorer
    
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  1. Anonymous
    2022-07-21T09:41:09+00:00

    Really amazing tool, so happy I found it.

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  2. Les Ferch 10,086 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-07-22T02:04:40+00:00

    I regret I failed to thank you very much for putting your time and effort into this. I downloaded but haven't used it yet, I glanced the screenshots and saw so many options (kudos to you for that, don't get me wrong.)

    I do recommend that you run it instead of prolonging your agony. If you follow the quick start guide, it's very few steps and not a lot of options to consider. In the end, it just sets File Explorer registry values to give you the default views you want. It's not one of those tools that adds overhead or requires a new way of doing things.

    I'm trying to be patient and set my folder views manually for now, they seem to be getting remembered mostly, but it still seems janky. Files are Grouped By Date in some application Save As dialogs now, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it and I'm just disgusted and already busy trying to make a new living using my pc.

    If you're not going to use the tool, please ensure that you understand the Apply to folders button in File Explorer. For example, if you turn off grouping for the Downloads folder, you may think that's just one folder, so setting that option once should do the trick. Nope, not so fast. There are several virtual folders that all point to the same physical Downloads folder and have the same Downloads folder type. Often, it leads one to think that File Explorer turned grouping back on when, in fact, it's still off for the one view (i.e. one virtual folder) that you set, but not the others. In order to set grouping off for ALL views of the Downloads folder (except file dialogs), you must change the setting and then click the Apply to folders button to make it apply to all folders of type Downloads.

    Unfortunately, Microsoft buried the Apply to folders button so deep, that most users don't know it's there (and certainly don't know just how important it is). BTW, that button is located under View, Options, Change folder and search options, View tab.

    Note: The Apply to folders button will NOT reset the views for file open/save dialogs for any previously opened folder. That's actually the main complaint in the OP's message and a common reason for frustration with that method.

    For whatever reason Windows now sets my default view for all folders to Group By Date, which is so frustrating and affecting productivity. I've never used Group By, and I have no need for it; like the OP I sort by name and I've managed my files just fine this way since 3.1.

    It's also possible that the registry keys that hold the per-folder File Explorer views (Bags/Bag MRU keys) have become corrupt or, if you have been using that computer for years and have a lot of files, you can also have issues when you hit the 5000 saved views (default) limit.

    For either issue, no amount of setting things "correctly" (e.g. using the Apply to folders button) is going to really help. Those keys need to be cleared to get a fresh start. However, you don't want to clear those keys and lose all your set views unless you change the default views to what you like. Again, that's where WinSetView comes in. It clears those keys every time you run the tool, thereby eliminating any corruption or limit issues, and, of course, lets you set the defaults, so you don't have to set dozens, hundreds, or thousands of separate views.

    Full disclosure, I recently ran some system cleaners, I'm suspecting that did something to cause this.

    Although I generally think most cleaner tools are best avoided (that's a whole other discussion) I think it's extremely unlikely the cleaner had anything to do with causing any File Explorer folder view issues. I'm not aware of any cleaner that touch the Bags/Bag MRU registry keys, so it's more likely one of the issues that I've described above.

    I'm just frustrated that it's 2022 and Windows doesn't make these obviously vital options easier/more comprehensive to configure out of the box, and the general 'dumbing down' of the GUI, and update surprises over the past 10 years. I know they want to be Mac but come on man.

    Windows File Explorer has worked the same since Windows 7 and I'm not holding my breath on any major improvements. It begs for many improvements, but Microsoft is also hand-tied to some extent to maintain backwards compatibility. But, hey, would it kill them to make things like Apply to folders a little less obscure (and make it apply to file dialogs)?

    I also want to run an sfc and dism first when I get the chance, in case the cleaners corrupted Windows.

    While it's never a bad thing to run those scans, they won't do anything to fix File Explorer view issues. Only clearing the registry keys, I've already mentioned, will help. And the easiest way to that, as I said, is to run WinSetView.

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  3. Anonymous
    2022-08-01T00:11:50+00:00

    How do you "disable" auto arrange to be able to manually sort files within folders on Windows 10build 1826?

    This appears to be a registry issue that Windows 10 changed in the last few updates.

    I updated to the latest Windows 10 creation build and now ALL my files are misplaced from the order and placement within each window that I want. What I had and require simply is "random, NO auto arrange". How can I Lock them in place?! This is unacceptable and I need to sort files within folders the way I want to. (current "fixed" options are of no use to me at all.) Will WinSetView do/allow this? Thanks!

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  4. Les Ferch 10,086 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-08-01T02:25:31+00:00

    How do you "disable" auto arrange to be able to manually sort files within folders on Windows 10build 1826?

    This appears to be a registry issue that Windows 10 changed in the last few updates.

    I updated to the latest Windows 10 creation build and now ALL my files are misplaced from the order and placement within each window that I want. What I had and require simply is "random, NO auto arrange". How can I Lock them in place?! This is unacceptable and I need to sort files within folders the way I want to. (current "fixed" options are of no use to me at all.) Will WinSetView do/allow this? Thanks!

    The short answer is: No.

    Although you can apply a registry setting that will give you Auto arrange and Align to grid checkable items in the View menu of any folder, the options are useless as of Windows 10 Creators Update (April 2017). That is, if you add those menu options and uncheck Auto arrange, you can then freely move icons around within a folder (we're not talking about the Desktop here), BUT, the icon positions are NOT remembered. When you close and reopen the folder, all the icons return to a sorted grid arrangement.

    If you recently were able to manually move icons within folders AND have their position remembered, then you must have been running a very old Windows 10 release.

    Microsoft's reason for removing this feature almost certainly comes down to issues of performance and reliability. Tracking icon positions for individual files and folders adds a lot of overhead. With the large number files on storage media these days, it's unlikely we'll see that feature return.

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