Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!

Anonymous
2022-02-23T22:25:42+00:00

Hello,

File grouping is degrading my productivity. It is constantly getting between me and my work.

I am aware of the methods to disable file grouping within individual folders. Please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

I am also aware of the method that is supposed to disable file grouping within folders of a particular type (general, music, photos, etc.)... by setting the Explorer "Options > Apply to Folders". (As an aside, the auto-detection of folder contents often does not work and is a big headache.) Again, please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

What I need to do is prevent Windows from grouping files -- EVERYWHERE. Not just in Windows Explorer, but in application file dialogs. That is, file Open and Save dialogs. That is the absolutely last place I ever want to see grouping.

This is seriously a problem for me. My assets are organized alphabetically for a reason. When I have to right-click and choose "Group By > None" every single time I access a folder through an application dialog, it wastes my time, increases my workload, and makes me very cranky.

I know that Microsoft has added this feature because they think it is going to save effort and time for their users. That may be true in some cases, but there is no one solution to maximize productivity in all possible use cases.

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

If this is not currently possible in Windows 10, please make it possible.

Such a simple, basic option can save literally millions of hours of wasted time for a global user base.

Thank you.

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  1. Les Ferch 10,081 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-06-24T16:57:28+00:00

    So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

    Option 1: Use WinSetView

    The easiest solution is to use WinSetView. It's a free, open source, portable app that lets you choose your preferred Explorer default views, including grouping, and sets the registry values for you. It does not modify any system files and does not leave anything running (i.e. zero overhead). The settings will stick through typical Windows Updates, but will need to be reapplied after a major update.

    Note: WinSetView resets all of your folder views to whatever you select as your default view preferences, which includes your grouping options. You may select one global view setting or select different views for each folder type.

    Option 2: Clear saved views and "Apply to Folders"

    This option uses the "Apply to Folders" button to set the user default view for the Downloads folder to Group by (None), but in order to ensure that all file open/save dialogs get the updated view, the currently saved views in the registry must be cleared out. To do that, first open RegEdit and delete the following registry keys:

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

    After deleting those registry keys, set grouping to (None) in the usual way:

    Windows 11:

    1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
    2. Sort menu > Group by > (None)
    3. > Options
    4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    Windows 10:

    1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
    2. View tab > Group by > (None)
    3. Options > Change folder and search options
    4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    This procedure must be applied for each folder TYPE. Typically, only the Downloads folder type is set to group by date, but if you have other folder types that are also grouped, the procedure will need to be repeated for those ones as well.

    Once the above steps are complete, sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

    Option 3: Modify the default in the registry

    In this registry key:

    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}\TopViews\{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}

    Change the GroupBy value data from "System.DateModified" to "" (i.e. clear the data).

    Note: The above key is protected. You will need to either change its permissions (not recommended) or access it using a tool that provides TrustedInstaller access, such as PowerRun, AdvancedRun, or RightClickTools.

    If you make the above change for a new user before opening any Downloads folders, then you're done. Otherwise, you'll need to clear out the saved views using the following procedures:

    Close all open apps.

    Open RegEdit normally (i.e NOT as TrustedInstaller) and delete the following registry keys:

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

    Run the following PowerShell script to clear views for Store apps such as the Windows 11 Notepad and MSPaint:

    $Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
    Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
      Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
    } 
    

    Sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

    Option 4: Per user script

    Close all open apps and run the following PowerShell script for each user (please see the comments):

    # This script will remove grouping from all possible views of the Downloads folder. 
    # The change is applied to the current user's profile only. 
    # Warning: ALL folder views (except Downloads grouping) will revert to Windows defaults! 
    # This is a minimal solution. To set ALL default folder views, use the free tool WinSetView. 
    
    $RegExe = "$env:SystemRoot\System32\Reg.exe"
    $File = "$env:Temp\Temp.reg"
    $Key = 'HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}'
    & $RegExe Export $Key $File /y
    $Data = Get-Content $File
    $Data = $Data -Replace 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE', 'HKEY_CURRENT_USER'
    $Data = $Data -Replace '"GroupBy"="System.DateModified"', '"GroupBy"=""'
    $Data | Out-File $File
    & $RegExe Import $File
    $Key = 'HKCU\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell'
    & $RegExe Delete "$Key\BagMRU" /f
    & $RegExe Delete "$Key\Bags" /f
    $Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
    Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
      Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
    }
    Stop-Process -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -ProcessName Explorer
    
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  1. Anonymous
    2022-06-26T14:21:27+00:00

    So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

    Use WinSetView to turn off file grouping globally. It's a free, open source, portable app that lets you choose your preferred File Explorer default views and sets the registry values for you. It does not modify any system files and does not leave anything running (i.e zero overhead).

    It works great!

    Thanks LesFerch!

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  2. Anonymous
    2022-07-20T04:44:11+00:00

    It's sad we have to download a tool for THIS.

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  3. Les Ferch 10,081 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-07-20T13:23:41+00:00

    It's sad we have to download a tool for THIS.

    Taking a glass half-full view of things, at least Microsoft was good enough to provide default view registry settings, even if they didn't provide an interface to set them. WinSetView simply provides that interface, so there's absolutely no overhead in using it. The only downside is the minor bother to download the tool (which I've tried to make as easy as possible).

    I put hundreds of hours of work into the tool simply to help users who are not happy with the File Explorer default views. There's nothing in it for me, other than the warm feeling I get when someone tells me it worked for them. I hope it works for you. 🙂

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  4. Anonymous
    2022-07-21T07:26:36+00:00

    I regret I failed to thank you very much for putting your time and effort into this. I downloaded but haven't used it yet, I glanced the screenshots and saw so many options (kudos to you for that, don't get me wrong.)

    I'm trying to be patient and set my folder views manually for now, they seem to be getting remembered mostly, but it still seems janky. Files are Grouped By Date in some application Save As dialogs now, there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it and I'm just disgusted and already busy trying to make a new living using my pc.

    For whatever reason Windows now sets my default view for all folders to Group By Date, which is so frustrating and affecting productivity. I've never used Group By, and I have no need for it; like the OP I sort by name and I've managed my files just fine this way since 3.1.

    Full disclosure, I recently ran some system cleaners, I'm suspecting that did something to cause this. I'm just frustrated that it's 2022 and Windows doesn't make these obviously vital options easier/more comprehensive to configure out of the box, and the general 'dumbing down' of the GUI, and update surprises over the past 10 years. I know they want to be Mac but come on man.

    I also want to run an sfc and dism first when I get the chance, in case the cleaners corrupted Windows. Maybe I created my own problem.

    Thank you again for your time and efforts,

    Z

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