Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!

Anonymous
2022-02-23T22:25:42+00:00

Hello,

File grouping is degrading my productivity. It is constantly getting between me and my work.

I am aware of the methods to disable file grouping within individual folders. Please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

I am also aware of the method that is supposed to disable file grouping within folders of a particular type (general, music, photos, etc.)... by setting the Explorer "Options > Apply to Folders". (As an aside, the auto-detection of folder contents often does not work and is a big headache.) Again, please do not tell me how to do this, I already know.

What I need to do is prevent Windows from grouping files -- EVERYWHERE. Not just in Windows Explorer, but in application file dialogs. That is, file Open and Save dialogs. That is the absolutely last place I ever want to see grouping.

This is seriously a problem for me. My assets are organized alphabetically for a reason. When I have to right-click and choose "Group By > None" every single time I access a folder through an application dialog, it wastes my time, increases my workload, and makes me very cranky.

I know that Microsoft has added this feature because they think it is going to save effort and time for their users. That may be true in some cases, but there is no one solution to maximize productivity in all possible use cases.

So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

If this is not currently possible in Windows 10, please make it possible.

Such a simple, basic option can save literally millions of hours of wasted time for a global user base.

Thank you.

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  1. Les Ferch 10,086 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-06-24T16:57:28+00:00

    So please, how can I completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything?

    Option 1: Use WinSetView

    The easiest solution is to use WinSetView. It's a free, open source, portable app that lets you choose your preferred Explorer default views, including grouping, and sets the registry values for you. It does not modify any system files and does not leave anything running (i.e. zero overhead). The settings will stick through typical Windows Updates, but will need to be reapplied after a major update.

    Note: WinSetView resets all of your folder views to whatever you select as your default view preferences, which includes your grouping options. You may select one global view setting or select different views for each folder type.

    Option 2: Clear saved views and "Apply to Folders"

    This option uses the "Apply to Folders" button to set the user default view for the Downloads folder to Group by (None), but in order to ensure that all file open/save dialogs get the updated view, the currently saved views in the registry must be cleared out. To do that, first open RegEdit and delete the following registry keys:

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

    After deleting those registry keys, set grouping to (None) in the usual way:

    Windows 11:

    1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
    2. Sort menu > Group by > (None)
    3. > Options
    4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    Windows 10:

    1. Open your Downloads folder and make the window wide enough to see all options.
    2. View tab > Group by > (None)
    3. Options > Change folder and search options
    4. View tab > Apply to Folders > Yes > OK

    This procedure must be applied for each folder TYPE. Typically, only the Downloads folder type is set to group by date, but if you have other folder types that are also grouped, the procedure will need to be repeated for those ones as well.

    Once the above steps are complete, sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

    Option 3: Modify the default in the registry

    In this registry key:

    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}\TopViews\{00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}

    Change the GroupBy value data from "System.DateModified" to "" (i.e. clear the data).

    Note: The above key is protected. You will need to either change its permissions (not recommended) or access it using a tool that provides TrustedInstaller access, such as PowerRun, AdvancedRun, or RightClickTools.

    If you make the above change for a new user before opening any Downloads folders, then you're done. Otherwise, you'll need to clear out the saved views using the following procedures:

    Close all open apps.

    Open RegEdit normally (i.e NOT as TrustedInstaller) and delete the following registry keys:

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU

    HKCU\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags

    Run the following PowerShell script to clear views for Store apps such as the Windows 11 Notepad and MSPaint:

    $Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
    Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
      Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
    } 
    

    Sign out and sign in (or restart the computer) to make the changes take effect everywhere.

    Option 4: Per user script

    Close all open apps and run the following PowerShell script for each user (please see the comments):

    # This script will remove grouping from all possible views of the Downloads folder. 
    # The change is applied to the current user's profile only. 
    # Warning: ALL folder views (except Downloads grouping) will revert to Windows defaults! 
    # This is a minimal solution. To set ALL default folder views, use the free tool WinSetView. 
    
    $RegExe = "$env:SystemRoot\System32\Reg.exe"
    $File = "$env:Temp\Temp.reg"
    $Key = 'HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\FolderTypes\{885a186e-a440-4ada-812b-db871b942259}'
    & $RegExe Export $Key $File /y
    $Data = Get-Content $File
    $Data = $Data -Replace 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE', 'HKEY_CURRENT_USER'
    $Data = $Data -Replace '"GroupBy"="System.DateModified"', '"GroupBy"=""'
    $Data | Out-File $File
    & $RegExe Import $File
    $Key = 'HKCU\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell'
    & $RegExe Delete "$Key\BagMRU" /f
    & $RegExe Delete "$Key\Bags" /f
    $Pkgs = "$env:LocalAppData\Packages"
    Get-ChildItem $Pkgs -Directory | ForEach-Object {
      Remove-Item -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue "$Pkgs\$_\SystemAppData\Helium\UserClasses.dat"
    }
    Stop-Process -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -ProcessName Explorer
    
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  1. Anonymous
    2022-08-13T00:10:34+00:00

    This thread says "Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!"

    I want to disable ALL grouping, NONE, Random, want to only group files in folders where and how I want. Pretty specific and on topic. I do very much appreciate your contributions and response. Rather uncertain of the major difference of file grouping within windows. But apparently, as you said, you can't now in the current Windows update. Very debilitating. Hope someone spends the time for a true fix. Thank you.

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  2. Les Ferch 10,086 Reputation points Volunteer Moderator
    2022-08-13T01:21:47+00:00

    This thread says "Completely disable file grouping, always, everywhere, in all windows, dialogs, everything!"

    I want to disable ALL grouping, NONE, Random, want to only group files in folders where and how I want. Pretty specific and on topic. I do very much appreciate your contributions and response. Rather uncertain of the major difference of file grouping within windows. But apparently, as you said, you can't now in the current Windows update. Very debilitating. Hope someone spends the time for a true fix. Thank you.

    You've misunderstood the term "grouping" as it's used in Windows. Grouping refers to files being grouped by a particular attribute such Date modified, like this:

    Many (maybe most) users just want a straight date-ordered list like this:

    Your post was about something completely different (i.e. being able to freely arrange icons within a folder like you can on the desktop).

    Please open a new question (i.e. new thread) for that topic if you wish to continue the discussion. Something like "Please bring back the ability to freely arrange icons within folders" might be a good title. But do understand that this is a user to user forum and is meant for Windows "how to" questions, not feature requests. It's also not a direct link to Microsoft. Your only link to Microsoft is the feedback hub in Windows. If you do post a separate question, it may be interesting to see if there are many other users who mark your question as "I have the same question" (even though a request is technically not a question).

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  3. Anonymous
    2022-08-13T02:29:54+00:00

    Thanks for the time explaining some things and the screenshots help a lot. I joined this forum because I wanted to know how to do something in Windows that seems common sense to me. Not asking for a feature. Microsoft itself so far seems useless to help with any direct questions, I've tried.

      Date grouping is not something I ever use. I just want to group the files in an order that is important to me and makes sense. I guess Microsoft does not call this grouping for some reason, maybe they call it sorting or arranging I just don't know now. Thanks for MS group definition. I wish I could group NONE or remain as is. I only want my files left exactly where I put them. I keep having to search all over for files in my folders that I know where I left them but Windows auto changed them. That is just unacceptable to me. I will try to ask my question in the form you suggest and are familiar with.  I'm just stunned that a modern computer won't let you place your files where and how to want them. Even older Windows did and Mac still and always does. How backwards can you get? Wow.
    
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  4. Anonymous
    2022-08-13T08:25:14+00:00

    This tool is awesome. Thanx for the hardwork. This may look like a small change in the folder view settings, but a nightmare to people who have to keep looking for files all day. A third party file explorer could have been an option but at the end of the day, do not want to install unknown softwares over File Explorer. ThanX Again

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